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Originally posted by Catch22
Originally posted by yello1

Oh man no you DIDNT

1. Only AEQ purchased before the announcement date of May 2nd, 2011 are eligible for a full bonus token refund. Items purchased after that date are only eligible to be swapped.


REALLY????

You cant announce half of a frakking change and then azz rape us with the second half two seasons later.

Thats pretty infuriating. % are working this season, why the heck would we not be able to buy them for two seasons waiting for your changes to actually happen?

Swapping is nice but not necessarily good enough. We were buying based on your expressed statement they would be refunded. This frikkin blows.

SECOND I don't have any in use on D, but as said above people do buy catching for CBs. You really ought to make that one Offense or Defense. Not fair to stick em like that however many people may be there.


Don't really see a question here, more of a complaint, but I'll go ahead and address it anyway.

The announcement is standard for how we've done AEQ/EQ changes in the past. We've never let people game the system by purchasing items after an announcement to try and take advantage of new rules so I'm not sure why anyone would have thought otherwise. As for the expressed statement that pieces bought after the announcement would be refunded, please direct me to that post and I'll give you my sincerest apologies for making it as I definitely would not have ever implied that and if I did I was wrong in doing so.

You can still exchange them for other +% pieces or SA's so let's not act like they are completely useless in the future.

The question was "Will you change this or make me soooo angry?"

And this was the announcement two months ago

Effective season 24, AEQ will go from a +2% increase per upgrade to +1% increase per upgrade. Users will have the opportunity in that off season up until the end of that pre-season to sell any +% AEQ pieces for a full bonus token refund (including purchase price).

Nothing in there about "pieces bought before today". Just WILL SELL ANY FULL REFUND, all clear and definite words.

If you make a statement like that, people are going to rely upon it.

Now maybe I am more annoyed than most since I have a couple dozen players who were buying their last AEQ the last several weeks, but I can't imagine I am the only one who is being surprised and screwed by this. Definitely would have shopped a whole heck of a lot less, trained differently etc.

Really ought to be a change made in that decision.

Guess I'm going to make you angry because we're not going to change it.

You also read way too much into that original announcement. You inferred that it would be any piece. All you had to do was send me a pm, send Support a message, or post a question in the Q & A thread we had shortly after that announcement and it would have been clarified for you. I should have made the announcement more clear and I apologize for any confusion I caused you (I've added a edit to clarify it now) but we've never allowed users to take advantage of changes after the change has been announced. Allowing users to stockpile purchased AEQ after the announcement would essentially equate to risk free shopping as users could just shop, keep a +% piece each roll and refund it, and shop until they found the piece they liked.

I'm also not sure how you are screwed by this. You can still exchange it for another +% piece or +SA piece.

Originally posted by Catch22

I'm also not sure how you are screwed by this. You can still exchange it for another +% piece or +SA piece.


I was hoping to a risk free shopping too.

Good call about the update.

2 questions and one answer:

- When swapping, you can either swap a +% piece for another equal valued +% piece or swap it for a SA that is of equal or lesser value in terms of bonus token cost (see link below for full list).

Is the +% to SA swap going to be subject to the offense->offense + defense->defense limitation?

- Offense: Catch %

Are you really going to limit +catch % to swapping to offensive %s (and SAs?) when it's been fairly widely promoted as a better choice for defensive players than +intercept %?



Originally posted by zia_pd
since all SAs cost 30BTs or less, and about everyone caring enough to post here usually has +5% pieces, that means blockers (already unloved dots) are screwed out of approx 30BTs (with some people 60 BTs) each?

At least 2 60 point SA options for blockers - Balance and Pummel ... not commenting on their effectiveness, just saying there are some.

Guys, I think it's a little silly to go on a game changes thread and say in so many words, "That's a game-changer!"

They know they're changing the game. So, the prelim announcement said we could swap any +% piece and get full value... and now it's any pre-announcement piece.

Meh. If you really think you ruined the dot you bought some gear for from this point forth and forevermore by trying to plan out "temporary" use of % gear, retire him.

On the other hand it's a bit naive to continue to accuse users of gaming a system, when the system is, in fact, a game.

I personally consider any such lapses in communication a feature of the general game environment at this point, and the lurching around in beta to be part of the game itself. Hell, I don't know what I'd do if GLB had a stable set of rules from season to season. But I've been here since the end of S1... so what does that tell you?

Just roll with it dudes. Wahhhhh it's not fairrrrr, but it's not fair the same way to everybody, so no huge loss. It's just a change within a change - if the few BTs to shop for or enhance a +% piece since the announcement are so important that your build is ruined, start over or just punt on the game.

This is how the GLB guys seem to roll. They make a very cool, very addictive product... but if you want to reduce it to a script or an excel spreadsheet, it'll bite you in the butt, because they will nerf that stuff. And sometimes they nerf the nerf.

::shrug::

I suggest that the admins not be so damn petty with the AEQ exchange. After all players might have been planning their build for over a year just to have a major component of the build nerfed. To top it all off the AEQ may not exchange for something of truly equal value since the build plan was done so long ago. Maybe none of the AEQ items that can be exchanged fit the build and the player does not have the BT to pick up any slack.

I say just give everybody a free upgrade. Sure it will be exploited by the extreme groups of agents but it should reduce the rage quits by the less extreme agents who do pay money also.

I guess what I am saying is how about a major change that is pleasant experience instead of the usual root canal that requires a PHD in GLB to figure out.

So why is it since you've made this announcement... all of the dawts I've been rolling for are getting the exact % pieces I need for 'em?
Some kind of hoodoo voodoo magic?

Will we get some kind of display of how many tokens we get for refunding stuff, like a pop up saying "selling this item will give you X BTs are you sure you want to sell it?"

And if we have a pre-announcement piece that is for instance +3attr +5%, we'll be able to sell that for a full 100 tokens, right?

Originally posted by Time Trial
Is Catch Ball Chance going to be considered an O, D, or either for the % AEQ exchange? I have it in conjunction with intercept ball chance on a couple of my D dots and I want to know if I can convert it or if I should be trying to roll a new piece right now?

Still no answer? I'm wondering the same thing.

I gotta say I'm fairly pissed at not being able to sell back ANY AEQ with % modifiyer on it

from yourself catch (posted by you in the Q&A thread when the announcements were made:

Originally posted by Catch22
We don't track shopping token usage, so unfortunately your best bet is to buy a piece with every shopping token and converting it to a piece that makes more sense for your player. You'll of course receive a refund of any BT's invested in the piece bought with shopping tokens, so that should not be a worry.

that SPECIFICALLY states you thought it would be sensible to purchase a piece with every shopping token as you will receive full refunds for it? now we dont get any unless it was BEFORE you even said that? jesus

I had purchased pieces of AEQ to put on guys that I KNEW would not really be good enough when the new rules on that AEQ kicked in. a 2% piece is ok when upgraded with +2% each time, but when upgraded with only 1% it makes that piece ever so less value for money. pieces like that were bought knowing I could refund it back at any time and then shop for a more appopriate piece or not bother when the time came.

now thats just blown a lot of the building I had planned

Originally posted by ricksta1975
I gotta say I'm fairly pissed at not being able to sell back ANY AEQ with % modifiyer on it

from yourself catch (posted by you in the Q&A thread when the announcements were made:

Originally posted by Catch22
We don't track shopping token usage, so unfortunately your best bet is to buy a piece with every shopping token and converting it to a piece that makes more sense for your player. You'll of course receive a refund of any BT's invested in the piece bought with shopping tokens, so that should not be a worry.

that SPECIFICALLY states you thought it would be sensible to purchase a piece with every shopping token as you will receive full refunds for it? now we dont get any unless it was BEFORE you even said that? jesus

I had purchased pieces of AEQ to put on guys that I KNEW would not really be good enough when the new rules on that AEQ kicked in. a 2% piece is ok when upgraded with +2% each time, but when upgraded with only 1% it makes that piece ever so less value for money. pieces like that were bought knowing I could refund it back at any time and then shop for a more appopriate piece or not bother when the time came.

now thats just blown a lot of the building I had planned

A question being answered in a forum thread can often be misunderstood and such was the case here. It was also not an official GLB announcement as we can't expect all users to go searching through the forums. It is one of the reasons we made the announcement yesterday nearly a season before implementation to lay out exactly what is happening. The initial announcement in May was to let people know it was coming. We spent time evaluating over the next season how we would do it and then laid out those guidelines yesterday.

It is unfortunate that I didn't include the words "prior to announcement". The two sentences were separate and supposed to be distinct. I was saying that we didn't track shopping token usage so you should probably use them to get a piece that you could convert (i.e. swap). I then added an additional statement that was meant to apply to items you had already purchased using shopping tokens. I apologize for any confusion as I can see how it could somehow be interpreted differently.

Originally posted by bdnannac
Still no answer? I'm wondering the same thing.

This was answered in the announcement. Catch % EQ is offense only.

Originally posted by hee163
Will we get some kind of display of how many tokens we get for refunding stuff, like a pop up saying "selling this item will give you X BTs are you sure you want to sell it?"

And if we have a pre-announcement piece that is for instance +3attr +5%, we'll be able to sell that for a full 100 tokens, right?

I'm not exactly sure how Bort is going to code it but I would imagine there would be some type of display to tell you how much you would receive if it's eligible for a refund.

Second question - if you spent 100 bonus tokens creating the piece, yes you would receive 100 bonus tokens. If you bought it in the store, you would receive the value of how much it cost you to buy it.

Originally posted by Brewnoe
2 questions and one answer:

- When swapping, you can either swap a +% piece for another equal valued +% piece or swap it for a SA that is of equal or lesser value in terms of bonus token cost (see link below for full list).

Is the +% to SA swap going to be subject to the offense->offense + defense->defense limitation?

- Offense: Catch %

Are you really going to limit +catch % to swapping to offensive %s (and SAs?) when it's been fairly widely promoted as a better choice for defensive players than +intercept %?

Yes, the +% to SA swap is subject to the offense->offense, defense->defense limitation.

Yes, we're limiting +catch % to offense only. GLB has never promoted it as a better choice for defensive players than +intercept %.

Originally posted by TrevJo
Totally different.
1. VAs are normally only fully reset when other VAs were buffed
2. Unlike VAs in a normal season, you can still sell all of your AEQ if you want. (You just won't get all your BT back.) So you still have a way to get other AEQ if you feel a change of plans is needed.Originally posted by TrevJo
Wow, that's quite the drama you're producing.
You might as well ask for a SP reset too, since people built builds with powerful +% AEQ in mind as well.

Yeah, cos skill points matter as much as VA's and AEQ lol