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bug03
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Originally posted by BobbyCox4Pres.
It's not fun, knowing your gonna lose, but thats GLB.. In GLB you use it as a learning tool, you either don't plan to try, or you do and make a fix.. make a fix is fun... trying is fun.. GLB, I endorse this method..


Well unfortunately I've spent the last year in Pro leagues not trying ever, only waiting for the playoffs season after season. 8 losses in 10 seasons... competitive...
 
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Originally posted by bug03
Well unfortunately I've spent the last year in Pro leagues not trying ever, only waiting for the playoffs season after season. 8 losses in 10 seasons... competitive...


Dude, Sorry to hear that, but now you'll have a whole season of competition in WL... You "made it" congrats man, now I see why your looking down..
 
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Originally posted by gocincinnati
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Specious argument. You know as well as I do the talent base has changed dramatically since then. It's a whole different ballgame now. .


The dynamic has changed because of the WL.

Before WL you had tons of agents that only wanted to play in US region. There were many agents that would rather put their players on a US AA team than a Pro team from another region.

The talent base hasn't really changed that much either. Just the dynamics. Now instead of there being 4 top teams in each league, those teams are in 1 league. And even if you spread them back out, one league will eventually gain prestige as the best, and the top players will want to gravitate toward that league.


1. Yes, USA used to be teh dominate. Not so much now. Maybe not even in the top 4 anymore. I think the game's user base -- especially those with Pro-caliber dots -- is much more savvy than they were back then.

If one league is going to gain prestige, let it happen on merit. Play a postseason World Cup tournament. If they can't figure out how to make an 8-team bracket happen, use a BCS-like system instead.

2. "talent base hasn't really changed that much" - Hellooo? Extended plateau?


 
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Originally posted by Kenshinzen
535 GLB agents say NO to National Pro reorganization.


IMO they are not voting against any of the suggestions on their merit. I would say most if not all voted no only in the hopes of saving their league/region. I disagree with that line of thought. It will happen guys, it's just a question of when.
 
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+1 to Wise
 
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Originally posted by jrope
+1 to Wise


Agreed.

Added tiers makes more sense than trying to fit a solution into the current structure. This solution should also help WL parity by improving the chances the 16 best non-WL teams promote. Right now, we get a lot of "rotating" teams who promote and demote back and forth. That's a sure sign of an awful Pro league, and failure in league structure.
 
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Originally posted by Octowned
Agreed.

Added tiers makes more sense than trying to fit a solution into the current structure. This solution should also help WL parity by improving the chances the 16 best non-WL teams promote. Right now, we get a lot of "rotating" teams who promote and demote back and forth. That's a sure sign of an awful Pro league, and failure in league structure.


Wise's suggestion will still heed that.. But different structure and more competitive games..
 
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Rage Kinard
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Originally posted by gocincinnati


2. "talent base hasn't really changed that much" - Hellooo? Extended plateau?




extended plateau hasn't helped that much.

There still is a lack of quality dot builders, and those dot builders only spend so much money. Extended plateau just caused them to retire some dots in the pipeline and thin out their player creating.

Sure there are more top level players now, but it doesn't mean there are more competitive ones.

 
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I feel the need to point out something:

we're not giving enough time for the situation as it is to settle. after last 3 seasons' changes, it will take 2 maybe 3 seasons for players and teams to mature enough to make a difference in the National Leagues.

I believe we will see some form of self-adjustment, as crappy teams falling a tier or two and better ones rising to take their place.

More so the real problem is lack of quality dots, there simply aren't enough being built to fill out all high tier teams, but on the other hand we must take into account the effect of introducing the leveling plateau had on the agents and the dots they create.

Just now we saw the first massive retirement wave, and a lot of those Flexpoints refunded will go back into creating new dots. I know of a lot of agents that had refrained from building extra dots, waiting to cash-in those flex points. This waiting has to a some degree created an artificial "hickup" in the dot-creation rates, hasn't it? As we had dots entering the plateau but no dots leaving it..

From now I expect this trend will stabilize, with players entering and leaving at roughly similar rates.
 
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Originally posted by Greywolfmeb
Originally posted by Kenshinzen

535 GLB agents say NO to National Pro reorganization.


IMO they are not voting against any of the suggestions on their merit. I would say most if not all voted no only in the hopes of saving their league/region. I disagree with that line of thought. It will happen guys, it's just a question of when.


GLB is dying and removing National Pro leagues will be the final blow. To fix the problem must look in the promotion system from regional Pro and below and not creating another tier between Pro and WL. Agents/owners with succesfull Pro teams in the past seasons are leaving the game and must wonder why. That's the problem and reducing/removing National Pro will not fix it.
 
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Originally posted by Kenshinzen
GLB is dying and removing National Pro leagues will be the final blow. To fix the problem must look in the promotion system from regional Pro and below and not creating another tier between Pro and WL. Agents/owners with succesfull Pro teams in the past seasons are leaving the game and must wonder why. That's the problem and reducing/removing National Pro will not fix it.


I voted no but would vote yes to Wise's plan
 
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still -1 to OP

+1 to Wise
 
Catch22
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Thanks for the input/discussion every one. Not sure if we are going to do anything but we at least have some talking points now. I'm going to close this thread as we've accomplished what we set out to do with it's creation (getting ideas about how we might be able to improve on the National Pro Leagues structure).
 
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