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Originally posted by ImTheScientist
I would eliminate the WL and go to only Pro leagues. The WL sucks, the forum sucks, and the best teams are not even all there. I would much rather compete with the people I played this game with then play with the WLers.

First time I've ever agreed with ITS....I think the novelty has worn off and there is such a disparity there between the elite teams and everybody else it kind of sucks. Instead of maybe 10 of those teams getting conference/league trophies there is only 2. I think things were much more fun and competitive before World League. I don't know if the prestige associated with being there really means what it did in it's first couple of seasons.

So, if I understand (correct me if I'm wrong) there will no longer be a SEA AAA or a USA AA...there will just be X amount of AAA leagues depending on the number of teams that qualify based on the standards you set up and they will be promoted randomly up to the pros based on rivalry points when they earn promotion?

I guess this helps balance things...but still, too many Pro leagues. instead of 2 great Pro leagues, 3 decent ones and 3 crappy ones...we will just have 8 bleh ones?

I guess it's better, but I don't really see how this addresses too much other then just having a flexable A/AA/AAA structure to ensure that there aren't gutted regions..which is something good. But still, too many Pro leagues if you don't kill the WL..but it's a step in the right direction I guess.

Just from a cursory look... I would like to see more than 4 Pro teams (what we have now) demote from a given region at seasons end. Maybe something like bottom 2 in each conference drop to AA and 13/14 drop to AAA.

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
I would eliminate the WL and go to only Pro leagues. The WL sucks, the forum sucks, and the best teams are not even all there. I would much rather compete with the people I played this game with then play with the WLers.

Forums are dead everywhere, league, team, private, chat, players don't even post GG anymore. Their has been too many seasons of 255-0 and this issue was the biggest problem seasons ago when most cared. Their has been too many cry's for help to fix the league structure by many. It is pretty sad when you can call the teams who will make it to the championship final season after season.

Where are these teams going to be coming from that we can add 2 more tiers when AA is already paper thin?

Originally posted by ImTheScientist
I would eliminate the WL and go to only Pro leagues. The WL sucks, the forum sucks, and the best teams are not even all there. I would much rather compete with the people I played this game with then play with the WLers.

I tend to agree, but would keep a Champions League type playoff tournament. I miss the rivalries in the Pro Leagues.

I'm happy DD and Co. finally listened to the bitching masses about how terrible AA and AAA was and made this change. It is long over due. Kudos for finally fixing what has been broken since decline really started to hit the game in season 11+.

Now, I think the next step would be to get a formal GLB tournament for each Elite league structured... And make this game really fun!

Fwiw I was never a fan of the world league, but it is what it is and I don't imagine you guys will be getting rid of it. Bort should have stuck with his tourny of champions idea (which was a high quality idea, f'ing whiners are the worst)

Still, keeping 8 pro leagues seems highly unnecessary. Its very evident that the world league was just taped to the top of the current structure. The 8 into 1 promotion system sucks. It leads to some teams demoting who are better than promoting teams, and it completely disrupts league cohesiveness.

1 WL 4 Pro (or even 1 WL 6 Pro) would be much better. Would allow the pro leagues to be more competive (better teams) along with allowing the world league to have closer to GLB's best.

Also, are you sure we wanna go 46-cap 54-cap? 46-51-56 seems like it might be better, since 97% of players are L56 at the end of their 8th season. Do we really want to have every single player hitting the absolute bottom of uncapped? The end of their 9th season (L61) they'd be better equipped to work against L72's in AA imo.

Hugely disappointed with this announcement - my team is currently in a level 26 cap league which is a joke from a competition point of view and what is going to change next season? Nothing! Frankly, this is hardly a 'major shakeup', just shuffling a few deckchairs around on the Titanic. It is basically going to do bugger all to really improve competition - it might make a few leagues better for a season or two, but as a long term approach to a critical issue it just doesn't come close to what is required.

I just feel that this shows that the powers that be just don't 'get it' - I want and expect real competition ALL the time, not a few times a season if I get lucky. Strengthening CPU players is welcome but is hardly going to solve the fundamental problems - instead of beating someone by 400 points I now only get to beat them by 100 - who cares?

There is just a complete refusal to accept that the main reason for blowouts is down to the way the sim behaves, rather than with the way leagues are aligned. Doing one without the other is a waste of time, especially when the league changes are as limited and unimaginative as this.

I would really like to see another cap above 54.

As far as the WL thing goes, I would organize the Pros Elite-Competitive-Normal and call the Elite Pro the WL.

Originally posted by Dr. E
This rule needs a fix:
Lv 46 teams:
- Lv 46 teams with players over lv 54 will always go to A

Too wide a range. Needs to be cut down from 54 to 51. My rationale is, if a Dot starts the league at level 46, he adds 3 levels boosting and will put on the two levels through exp for a total of 51. Make it a hard rule too, not an average team level, otherwise you end up with a team who gets Dots that play critical positions many levels higher than any other he will face.

This rule needs a fix:
Lv 46 teams:
- Lv 46 elite playoff teams go to A.

The promotion system has one flaw, too wide a range of levels end up in a league and no flexibility. I'll use my team as an example. I'm sitting in cap 46 Elite, already down 3 or 4 average levels and a "boat load" of effective levels to most of the competition. I stand a good chance of making the playoffs so will end up in A league next season competing against competition the bulk of who's average level will be 10 above me and some much higher. Nobody beats a team 10 levels higher than them. The auto promotion no matter what the levels of your team needs a tweak. It's broken.


I am going to echo a few things that have been brought up already.

Promoting elite Lvl 46 playoff teams to A is too broad. The team I am associated is a quality organisation, having won the league in each of it's 4 seasons (13, 22, 30, 38), so we entered the lvl 46 elite league at around level 41. Once again we are overcoming the odds and are definitely in the playoffs as either the 1st or 2nd seed. This is whilst going up against dots which are 5ish levels above us, so now we are going to enter season 17 as lvl 49 dots, which against 60-72 is going to be completely pointless.

This could see many of the teams that came close but never got over the hump in the capped leagues, give up. I really think you need to have more of an ordering/promotion by levels/effective levels, as by the early 50's the SB/SSB teams are starting to die out. What that means is that the teams left, will be of similar levels and all on a level playing field.

I have not explained this very well so have quoted Dr. E who is raising the same issues

Originally posted by ryanshaw

There is just a complete refusal to accept that the main reason for blowouts is down to the way the sim behaves, rather than with the way leagues are aligned.

No one acknowledges that simply because it is not the truth. The sim isn't making you win by 255. It's the fact that there are too-weak teams in a conference that does.

Originally posted by Urrymonster
I am going to echo a few things that have been brought up already.

Promoting elite Lvl 46 playoff teams to A is too broad. The team I am associated is a quality organisation, having won the league in each of it's 4 seasons (13, 22, 30, 38), so we entered the lvl 46 elite league at around level 41. Once again we are overcoming the odds and are definitely in the playoffs as either the 1st or 2nd seed. This is whilst going up against dots which are 5ish levels above us, so now we are going to enter season 17 as lvl 49 dots, which against 60-72 is going to be completely pointless.

This could see many of the teams that came close but never got over the hump in the capped leagues, give up. I really think you need to have more of an ordering/promotion by levels/effective levels, as by the early 50's the SB/SSB teams are starting to die out. What that means is that the teams left, will be of similar levels and all on a level playing field.

I have not explained this very well so have quoted Dr. E who is raising the same issues

I agree with this 100%. I am also in a lvl 46 elite league, but my team was lvl 38 when we got there! No one on my team will be above lvl 43 at the end of the season, and there is no way I could possibly miss the playoffs at this point even if I tank the rest of the season. I am going to get thrown into a league with lvl 72 dots as a lvl 43 team... There isn't enough game planning in the world to overcome that disadvantage. I have asked for 3 straight seasons for the admins to slow down my promotion rate, but have been denied every time despite never winning a conference championship, based only on the fact that my team has gone at least 12-4 each season.

Of course, even under best case scenario and they do only move me one tier... I'm still going to a lvl 54 league with a lvl 43 team...

You have to accept your lumps for a season. It's just going to happen. Don't expect to win trophies all the way up the ladder - that's unrealistic.

My team was underleveled in AAA last season, we went 5-11, with maybe 7-9 having been the best we could hope for. This season we're 13-1 and if we didn't have one brutally strong team in our conference would be one of the two favorites for the trophy. That's the way it works if you don't have a bunch of farm teams to replace half your roster each offseason, you have a down season, which positions you for an up season, which sets you up for a down season, so on and so forth. Some folks have developed excessive ambition due to the minor cap structure allowing them to win for several seasons straight - as long as you enter as the very elite at the bottom, the caps actually insulate you from facing superior competition for several seasons.

Originally posted by Sarg01
You have to accept your lumps for a season. It's just going to happen. Don't expect to win trophies all the way up the ladder - that's unrealistic.

My team was underleveled in AAA last season, we went 5-11, with maybe 7-9 having been the best we could hope for. This season we're 13-1 and if we didn't have one brutally strong team in our conference would be one of the two favorites for the trophy. That's the way it works if you don't have a bunch of farm teams to replace half your roster each offseason, you have a down season, which positions you for an up season, which sets you up for a down season, so on and so forth. Some folks have developed excessive ambition due to the minor cap structure allowing them to win for several seasons straight - as long as you enter as the very elite at the bottom, the caps actually insulate you from facing superior competition for several seasons.

It's not about winning trophies. Its about creating competitive games. I have never met an agent that got excited over a 255 - 0 game. No one enjoys games like that. No one game plans for them, that's for sure. So who does it benefit having a lvl 43 team facing a lvl 72 team? The lvl 43 team sees it as hopeless and the lvl 72 team doesn't even game plan for it, they just look on to their next "competitive" game, whenever that may be...

Why intentionally water down the leagues like that? There are much better ways to advance teams throughout the tiers.