Originally posted by OttawaShane
which was what?
That it would be a random drawing from the top 5.
which was what?
That it would be a random drawing from the top 5.
Forum > Game Changes Discussion > Archived Changes > MVP winners no longer automatically get the MVP equipment?
Originally posted by Mightyhalo
That it would be a random drawing from the top 5.
I really have no problem with that as who says the way they figure out the MVP isn't somewhat skewed anyway. However, if they let owner's vote amongst their top 5 at the end of the Season they give the customer's a chance to fix any err/skew they may see.
That it would be a random drawing from the top 5.
I really have no problem with that as who says the way they figure out the MVP isn't somewhat skewed anyway. However, if they let owner's vote amongst their top 5 at the end of the Season they give the customer's a chance to fix any err/skew they may see.
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Originally posted by TyrannyVaunt
It is like playing soccer as a kid. Everyone gets a trophy.
this just drop MVP, give everyone the trophy and everyone the endorsement
It is like playing soccer as a kid. Everyone gets a trophy.
this just drop MVP, give everyone the trophy and everyone the endorsement
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I have a better idea! after a coach spends 440 days as a coach, you can retire him and make him a broadcaster or sportswriter who will raise morale for writing stories about your team that are positive. He will vote (along with other broadcasters and sportswriters in the given league) for MVP.
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Originally posted by Chopmankins
I have a better idea! after a coach spends 440 days as a coach, you can retire him and make him a broadcaster or sportswriter who will raise morale for writing stories about your team that are positive. He will vote (along with other broadcasters and sportswriters in the given league) for MVP.
You can always have broadcaster archtypes...the "suck-up" that boosts morale, and of course the "these guys suck since I retired" archetype that lowers it - he'd be hired by the other team, of course and used against his old team by the opposition.
Kinda like how coaches will magically be able to lower opponent attributes.
I have a better idea! after a coach spends 440 days as a coach, you can retire him and make him a broadcaster or sportswriter who will raise morale for writing stories about your team that are positive. He will vote (along with other broadcasters and sportswriters in the given league) for MVP.
You can always have broadcaster archtypes...the "suck-up" that boosts morale, and of course the "these guys suck since I retired" archetype that lowers it - he'd be hired by the other team, of course and used against his old team by the opposition.
Kinda like how coaches will magically be able to lower opponent attributes.
Originally posted by Chopmankins
I have a better idea! after a coach spends 440 days as a coach, you can retire him and make him a broadcaster or sportswriter who will raise morale for writing stories about your team that are positive. He will vote (along with other broadcasters and sportswriters in the given league) for MVP.
I hate to say it, but that is as good as any of the morale boosts I have seen put in already.
I have a better idea! after a coach spends 440 days as a coach, you can retire him and make him a broadcaster or sportswriter who will raise morale for writing stories about your team that are positive. He will vote (along with other broadcasters and sportswriters in the given league) for MVP.
I hate to say it, but that is as good as any of the morale boosts I have seen put in already.
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Originally posted by Mauler
I hate to say it, but that is as good as any of the morale boosts I have seen put in already.
Chopmankins for admin anyone?
I hate to say it, but that is as good as any of the morale boosts I have seen put in already.
Chopmankins for admin anyone?
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Good improvement to me, was very disappointed when they didnt go this route at first even after saying they would, the MVP formulas are not perfect, any of the top 5 are probably deserving, instead of relying on the formula, theres now the random element in it.
Originally posted by TxSteve
just don't number the #1 through #10 (or 5 if that's what it turned out to be).
Change the display screen to say:
Current MVP Candidates (in alphabetical order)
Aaron Apple
Bruce Boxer
Chris Carter
Dave Dimwit
Eric Ericson
Current MVP Bubble (in alphabetical order)
Frank Food
Greg Goo
Harry Hore
Jack Johnson
Kevin Kreary
That way - no one will ever know if the #1 ranked player - or the #5 got the MVP.
It's also quite a bit more like (gasp) the real world - since there is no set formula for determining the MVP in the real world
+1000000000000 I like
just don't number the #1 through #10 (or 5 if that's what it turned out to be).
Change the display screen to say:
Current MVP Candidates (in alphabetical order)
Aaron Apple
Bruce Boxer
Chris Carter
Dave Dimwit
Eric Ericson
Current MVP Bubble (in alphabetical order)
Frank Food
Greg Goo
Harry Hore
Jack Johnson
Kevin Kreary
That way - no one will ever know if the #1 ranked player - or the #5 got the MVP.
It's also quite a bit more like (gasp) the real world - since there is no set formula for determining the MVP in the real world
+1000000000000 I like
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Originally posted by EagleOtto
Good improvement to me, was very disappointed when they didnt go this route at first even after saying they would, the MVP formulas are not perfect, any of the top 5 are probably deserving, instead of relying on the formula, theres now the random element in it.
Not always though. I know for my KR/PR last season it was an absolute blowout. Was one other returner in the league who really compared and was still a good 2k yards/10+ TDs behind, not to mention my guy taking multiple other trophies in Yards/Average/TDs etc...
Numbers 3-5 had pedestrian numbers at best. To watch one of them get the endorsement would be pretty lame.
Fix the MVP formula, don't just hand the trophy to a random 1-5 imo.
Good improvement to me, was very disappointed when they didnt go this route at first even after saying they would, the MVP formulas are not perfect, any of the top 5 are probably deserving, instead of relying on the formula, theres now the random element in it.
Not always though. I know for my KR/PR last season it was an absolute blowout. Was one other returner in the league who really compared and was still a good 2k yards/10+ TDs behind, not to mention my guy taking multiple other trophies in Yards/Average/TDs etc...
Numbers 3-5 had pedestrian numbers at best. To watch one of them get the endorsement would be pretty lame.
Fix the MVP formula, don't just hand the trophy to a random 1-5 imo.
Originally posted by shadetoms
Not always though. I know for my KR/PR last season it was an absolute blowout. Was one other returner in the league who really compared and was still a good 2k yards/10+ TDs behind, not to mention my guy taking multiple other trophies in Yards/Average/TDs etc...
Numbers 3-5 had pedestrian numbers at best. To watch one of them get the endorsement would be pretty lame.
Fix the MVP formula, don't just hand the trophy to a random 1-5 imo.
LOL.......Fixing the MVP trophy is a very easy thing to say & I am sure they are taking into account the equation for this the best they can. I hate to say it, but PC's/Server's/Databases can only be as good as they are setup/programmed/coded to be & the people doing that are human. Hence, Computers/Servers cannot always be 100% correct. So fixing a formula, as easy as that may seem to somebody is not that easy at all & will always be open to criticism.
Not always though. I know for my KR/PR last season it was an absolute blowout. Was one other returner in the league who really compared and was still a good 2k yards/10+ TDs behind, not to mention my guy taking multiple other trophies in Yards/Average/TDs etc...
Numbers 3-5 had pedestrian numbers at best. To watch one of them get the endorsement would be pretty lame.
Fix the MVP formula, don't just hand the trophy to a random 1-5 imo.
LOL.......Fixing the MVP trophy is a very easy thing to say & I am sure they are taking into account the equation for this the best they can. I hate to say it, but PC's/Server's/Databases can only be as good as they are setup/programmed/coded to be & the people doing that are human. Hence, Computers/Servers cannot always be 100% correct. So fixing a formula, as easy as that may seem to somebody is not that easy at all & will always be open to criticism.
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Putting it to an owners vote would just mean it goes to the agent and/or owners team who is most well-liked by others in the league, which seems just as bad or worse than random drawing... especially if/when you have teams from same/friendly networks in same league, etc.
If the owners were generally objectively-minded in the evaluation then yes this would seem an improvement that could overcome the flaws of a purely algorithmic approach... but imo in reality it would just devolve into a popularity contest based on agent/owner personality/connections rather than the stats/performance of the dot player.
It should be about the dot player, not the agent or owner.
If the owners were generally objectively-minded in the evaluation then yes this would seem an improvement that could overcome the flaws of a purely algorithmic approach... but imo in reality it would just devolve into a popularity contest based on agent/owner personality/connections rather than the stats/performance of the dot player.
It should be about the dot player, not the agent or owner.
Edited by Stray Doug on Apr 20, 2010 17:01:37
Originally posted by Stray Doug
Putting it to an owners vote would just mean it goes to the agent and/or owners team who is most well-liked by others in the league, which seems just as bad or worse than random drawing... especially if/when you have teams from same/friendly networks in same league, etc.
If the owners were generally objectively-minded in the evaluation then yes this would seem an improvement that could overcome the flaws of a purely algorithmic approach... but imo in reality it would just devolve into a popularity contest based on agent/owner personality/connections rather than the stats/performance of the dot player.
It should be about the dot player, not the agent or owner.
I did say honesty, which isn't always the case in GLB or RL for that matter. However, if you don't like the owners choosing than leave it up to a random draw like GLB proposed via the database.
Putting it to an owners vote would just mean it goes to the agent and/or owners team who is most well-liked by others in the league, which seems just as bad or worse than random drawing... especially if/when you have teams from same/friendly networks in same league, etc.
If the owners were generally objectively-minded in the evaluation then yes this would seem an improvement that could overcome the flaws of a purely algorithmic approach... but imo in reality it would just devolve into a popularity contest based on agent/owner personality/connections rather than the stats/performance of the dot player.
It should be about the dot player, not the agent or owner.
I did say honesty, which isn't always the case in GLB or RL for that matter. However, if you don't like the owners choosing than leave it up to a random draw like GLB proposed via the database.
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Yep, I agree... use the algorithm to narrow it down (top 5)... then random draw as basically an admission that the formula isn't perfect and likely any one of these players is deserving for various reasons. Even in real life football there's often debate whether player A or player B should have won the Heisman or MVP or whatever... it's not just stats, but the level of competition (which is why elim/reducing blowout stats is good) and whether that player was a difference in helping his team win or if they still lost, just by "less than they would have", etc... so I think a random element in GLB world helps approximate all those "squishy" factors.
I don't know if team record is a factor in MVP, but I kinda think it should be... not necessarily that 14-2 team player gets an edge over 10-6 team player... but maybe just that there's a flat bonus for anyone on a team with a winning record (i.e. 16-0 = 9-7 for algorithm purposes). Makes it harder (but not impossible) for a team with 8-8 or losing record to have any MVPs, which I think is generally more realistic as to how those types of awards are given out. Just a thought, and probably a bit off-topic here.
I don't know if team record is a factor in MVP, but I kinda think it should be... not necessarily that 14-2 team player gets an edge over 10-6 team player... but maybe just that there's a flat bonus for anyone on a team with a winning record (i.e. 16-0 = 9-7 for algorithm purposes). Makes it harder (but not impossible) for a team with 8-8 or losing record to have any MVPs, which I think is generally more realistic as to how those types of awards are given out. Just a thought, and probably a bit off-topic here.
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