Warrior General Games

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1019884&pbp_id=9361169

In the play above WR2 is wide open but he is the QBs 3rd read. Shouldn't progressions be thrown out of the window when receivers are this wide open? Or did the QB miss a vision check which is why he didn't throw to him?

Also I have noticed QBs throwing into double coverage when there is a receiver single covered. Are these failed vision checks or does the QB not have the ability to notice a well covered WR(double covered) as opposed to a Single Covered WR?

why would you have progression go from right to left back to right again, regardless of who was open?

Originally posted by bug03
why would you have progression go from right to left back to right again, regardless of who was open?

Actually the TE is running a post. Sooo its more middle, left, right. My progressions don't matter. I want to know if the QB has the ability once the ball is snapped to deviate from his progression is he sees an open man or less covered man.

+1 (I'm extremely curious about this as well)

Originally posted by Tigerbait0307
Actually the TE is running a post. Sooo its more middle, left, right. My progressions don't matter. I want to know if the QB has the ability once the ball is snapped to deviate from his progression is he sees an open man or less covered man.

Favorite targets help with this from what i've seen.

I think the way it played out is how it should work. Either you have progressions, or you have an omnipotent QB. He was not looking that way, why would he see WR2 getting open?

Originally posted by foofighter24
I think the way it played out is how it should work. Either you have progressions, or you have an omnipotent QB. He was not looking that way, why would he see WR2 getting open?

No offense but I disagree. His first read was the TE. So if we are looking for realism in the game. A good QB would have noticed the SS on the TE and immediatly known that WR 2 was one on one with no help over the top.

Forget that though. I really think that if QBs have the ability to read coverage better the passing game would be improved. I know this is GLB and not really football. However there must be a way for the sim to recognize that there are 2 defenders closer to WR A than WR B. So WR B is the logical option. This doesn't mean the WR will catch it or that the CB won't deflect of intercept it. This just means the QB makes the right decision with the football.

I hope this makes sence

Here is another example. http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1019884&pbp_id=9354580

WR1 and WR3 were the QBs best options. Not saying he should recognize the best option everytime. Just wondering if the QB even has the option to notice anything other than his progression. I would have much rathered my QB take the sack than throw that ball. NOt to mention he is set on Scramble Frequency OFTEN and never runs. But thats a seperate issue.

On the last tick that the vision line is on the TE, WR2 is only 1 yd past the CB. That's not "Holy crap is that guy open!". The first tick on his second read he pulls to about 3 yds away, but the QB isn't looking on that side of the field. He'd have no way of knowing whether that guy was open or if he pulled his pants off and took a dump on the 50. Odds are he felt pressure from the MLB and LDE (who were close), the NT who was free to charge and the DT (who broke the double team and was driving the C) and decided to get rid of the ball instead of hitting another read.

Originally posted by taz20075
On the last tick that the vision line is on the TE, WR2 is only 1 yd past the CB. That's not "Holy crap is that guy open!". The first tick on his second read he pulls to about 3 yds away, but the QB isn't looking on that side of the field. He'd have no way of knowing whether that guy was open or if he pulled his pants off and took a dump on the 50. Odds are he felt pressure from the MLB and LDE (who were close), the NT who was free to charge and the DT (who broke the double team and was driving the C) and decided to get rid of the ball instead of hitting another read.

Well I guess this is where we disagree. 1yd past the CB in my book is wide open. I don't know what the sim takes into consideration for when a QB should get rid of the ball . All of that is secondary.

Originally posted by Tigerbait0307
I want to know if the QB has the ability once the ball is snapped to deviate from his progression if he sees an open man or less covered man.

Originally posted by Tigerbait0307
No offense but I disagree. His first read was the TE. So if we are looking for realism in the game. A good QB would have noticed the SS on the TE and immediatly known that WR 2 was one on one with no help over the top.

Forget that though. I really think that if QBs have the ability to read coverage better the passing game would be improved. I know this is GLB and not really football. However there must be a way for the sim to recognize that there are 2 defenders closer to WR A than WR B. So WR B is the logical option. This doesn't mean the WR will catch it or that the CB won't deflect of intercept it. This just means the QB makes the right decision with the football.

I hope this makes sence

It makes perfect sense, we just see the way progressions should work differently. You are right, in real life, a QB would be scanning that entire side of the field with his eyes. I just don't interpret the progressions in GLB to work that way.

Originally posted by Tigerbait0307
Here is another example. http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1019884&pbp_id=9354580

WR1 and WR3 were the QBs best options. Not saying he should recognize the best option everytime. Just wondering if the QB even has the option to notice anything other than his progression. I would have much rathered my QB take the sack than throw that ball. NOt to mention he is set on Scramble Frequency OFTEN and never runs. But thats a seperate issue.

Did you double up WR3 in the progression by any chance? He does seem to linger on him.

QBs do have the ability to pre-empt progressions to hit a wide open man, but it requires a successful vision check. I have found that vision needs to be around 85 for this to even begin to happen, and higher is better in that regard.

I am not sure, but I think an "open man" bias may help this along a bit.

edit: Also, one thing that can be a bit deceiving...a QB rolls through his progressions, but will throw the ball when he feels pressure. So it may be the first read was lightly covered, but still did not hit the QBs threshold for throwing the ball, and the second read is more heavily covered but the QB feels pressure and makes the throw anyway.

Originally posted by tautology

QBs do have the ability to pre-empt progressions to hit a wide open man, but it requires a successful vision check. I have found that vision needs to be around 85 for this to even begin to happen, and higher is better in that regard.



SON OF A BITCH my QB is only 84.99 vision (seriously) ..http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1037283&pbp_id=9504874 Shoulda hit WR 4 here IMO