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ddingo
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Originally posted by taz20075
Doesn't that make the question "How do I build an effective guard when I have to get close to 100/80 (SPD/AGI in OP) for it to really be useful, without getting pancaked on eery other play?"


However, that's not what's required for a competent OG to effectively pull.
 
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Originally posted by jakobnielsen
With the VA maxed out, what kind of speed/agility seems needed know to actually make the pull work?


Depends on a variety of factors and which play specifically....but I would say 62-63 speed and 75-80 agility is around the minimum for any effectiveness at Pro level. Higher will do better, obviously.

 
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Originally posted by bhall43
Originally posted by Mat McBriar

No. The Pulling VA is not a waste and is actually very helpful if you run a significant amount of plays where the specific player is going to be pulling. It was basically created to counter a pulling guard's lack of ability.


I wouldn't go as far as to call it a waste at this point...but i was expecting some better results myself.


Yeah, it works very well in getting the G to the outside, but the actual outside blocking mechanics aren't that great, so half the time the G will just get out there, then look lost.
 
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Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Originally posted by bhall43

Originally posted by Mat McBriar


No. The Pulling VA is not a waste and is actually very helpful if you run a significant amount of plays where the specific player is going to be pulling. It was basically created to counter a pulling guard's lack of ability.


I wouldn't go as far as to call it a waste at this point...but i was expecting some better results myself.


Yeah, it works very well in getting the G to the outside, but the actual outside blocking mechanics aren't that great, so half the time the G will just get out there, then look lost.


p much
 
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Originally posted by Sik Wit It
Originally posted by bhall43

Originally posted by Mat McBriar


No. The Pulling VA is not a waste and is actually very helpful if you run a significant amount of plays where the specific player is going to be pulling. It was basically created to counter a pulling guard's lack of ability.


I wouldn't go as far as to call it a waste at this point...but i was expecting some better results myself.


Yeah, it works very well in getting the G to the outside, but the actual outside blocking mechanics aren't that great, so half the time the G will just get out there, then look lost.


Thankfully we know that 70+ base vision and a mentor isn't the solution to retarded blocking on the edge.
 
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Originally posted by ddingo
Thankfully we know that 70+ base vision and a mentor isn't the solution to retarded blocking on the edge.


maybe if Bort turned Mentor back on this would be a good solution.
 
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I think that our team has only tried it this one time, but I liked the way it worked on this play.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1017826&pbp_id=6798513

I want to see more of it though, and then give an opinion.
 
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Originally posted by Bluehaze
I think that our team has only tried it this one time, but I liked the way it worked on this play.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1017826&pbp_id=6798513

I want to see more of it though, and then give an opinion.


Very nice,
can you share the Guards attributes speed/agility, VA Pulling lineman?
 
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http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1031501&pbp_id=13656522

Here is a good LG pull but the FB freaks out because now he doesn't know who to block. lol
 
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Originally posted by AngryDragon
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1031501&pbp_id=13656522

Here is a good LG pull but the FB freaks out because now he doesn't know who to block. lol


Could you also share your Gs numbers?
 
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Originally posted by jakobnielsen
Could you also share your Gs numbers?


It is not my G so I can't share his attributes.
 
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Edited by bberyquiet on Mar 3, 2010 12:34:03
Edited by bberyquiet on Mar 3, 2010 11:36:00
Edited by bberyquiet on Mar 3, 2010 11:35:44
 
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Originally posted by jakobnielsen
Very nice,
can you share the Guards attributes speed/agility, VA Pulling lineman?


Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 121.32 (+35)
Speed: 69
Agility: 85.32 (+6)
Jumping: 9
Stamina: 47.32
Vision: 70.32
Confidence: 55.32

Football Skills
Blocking: 81.32
Catching: 8
Tackling: 20.32
Throwing: 9
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Pass Blocking Abilities
Pass Block: 4
Strong Arm: 0
Shock Block: 0
Foundation: 0
Absorb Pain: 0

Run Blocking Abilities
Run Block: 3
Get Low: 3
Hands: 3
Cut Block: 3
Pancake: 1

Additional Abilities
Lead Block: 5
Veteran Abilities
Great Blocker: 15
Downfield Blocker: 15
Pulling Lineman: 15
Stonewall: 3
 
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Edited by kmart on Mar 3, 2010 16:34:52
 
jakobnielsen
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Originally posted by Bluehaze
Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 121.32 (+35)
Speed: 69
Agility: 85.32 (+6)
Jumping: 9
Stamina: 47.32
Vision: 70.32
Confidence: 55.32

Football Skills
Blocking: 81.32
Catching: 8
Tackling: 20.32
Throwing: 9
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Pass Blocking Abilities
Pass Block: 4
Strong Arm: 0
Shock Block: 0
Foundation: 0
Absorb Pain: 0

Run Blocking Abilities
Run Block: 3
Get Low: 3
Hands: 3
Cut Block: 3
Pancake: 1

Additional Abilities
Lead Block: 5
Veteran Abilities
Great Blocker: 15
Downfield Blocker: 15
Pulling Lineman: 15
Stonewall: 3


Thanks, looks like a very nice specimen
 
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