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Not to step on Gong's toes, he does a fabulous job with the rankings.

I too have the ranking plugin he is using, and am just testing out some tweaks in this thread.

It will display Power Rankings and League Rankings

Power Rankings are determined by averaging the Offensive and Defensive ranking, then dividing the SOS by that Average.
(Example: San Antonio Saviours are ranked 2 on Offense and 3 on defense. So the average would be 2.5. If you take the SOS and divide it by that average you will get the Power Ranking.

League Rankings are determined by taking the Power Ranking and multiplying it by (wins+.01).
(Example: San Antonio Saviours Power Ranking is .02, when multipled by (wins+.01) you receive the Overall League Ranking.

I will post what each of these formulas produce for you all to review and comment on. So far they seem to be producing some reasonable results.

Wackad00

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<POWER RANKINGS Week 6>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Off……….Def……….Ave……….SOS ……………Power Rank
03………..02…………2.5………0.500…………….........0.20000…………….San Antonio Saviours
06………..03…………4.5………0.444………….............0.09866…………….All American Wolverines
01………..07…………4.0………0.389………….............0.09725…………….Tallahassee Beatdown
05………..08…………6.5………0.472………….............0.07261…………….Headbangers Ball
12………..01…………6.5………0.389………….............0.05984…………….Ohio Rage
02………..09…………5.5………0.306………….............0.05563…………….Montgomery Manglers
08………..12………....10……….0.500…………….........0.05000…………….Penguin Academy
19………..10………....14.5……..0.694………….............0.04786…………….Gondwana Raptors
15………..11………....13……….0.611………….............0.04700…………….Dayton Pee Wee Flight
11………..05…………8.0………0.367………….............0.04587…..…………Raccoon City S.T.A.R.S
14………..04…………9.0………0.400…………….........0.04444.…………….Hobbittown Hairy Feet
16………..15………....15.5……..0.639………….............0.04122……………..Oahu Firebirds
09………..06…………7.5………0.306………….............0.04080……………..Darkus Blacks
07………..17………....12……….0.444………….............0.03700……………..Saskatoon Disgruntled Mailmen
04………..13………....8.5………0.306………….............0.03600……………..Rockwall Jackets - PeeWees
10………..14………....12……….0.389………….............0.03241…..………....Midland Mudpuppies
18………..21………....19.5……..0.583………….............0.02989……………..Mikumi Black Cubs
17………..18………....17.5……..0.467………….............0.02668……………..c@r3 b33rS
22………..22…………22……….0.583………….............0.02650……….……..Lone Star Water Moccasins
27………..19…………23……….0.600…………….........0.02608..…………....Ocean City Crabs
24………..20…………22……….0.556………….............0.02527..…………....Circle of Trust
20………..25…………22.5……..0.528…………............0.02346……………...Miami Mustangs
26………..28…………27……….0.611…………............0.02262...…………….Tyger's Army
23………..29…………26……….0.556…………............0.02138.……………...Manila Troublemakers
13………..16…………14.5……..0.306…………............0.02110……………....SilkRoad Online Spartan Chimaera
28………..26…………27……….0.556…………............0.02059……………....Fort Jackson Cadets
29………..27…………28……….0.556…………............0.01985……………....SEC Boyz
25………..32…………28.5……..0.556…………............0.01950……………....Delaware Destroyers
21………..23…………22……….0.417…………............0.01895……………....Dallas Cool Arrows
30………..24…………27……….0.500……………........0.01851……………....Baltimore Crimewave
31………..31…………31……….0.528…………............0.01703……………....Alexandria Ambush
32………..30…………31……….0.500……………........0.01612……………....Little Giants

Overall Rank Week 6
1.20200.................San Antonio Saviours
0.58447.................Tallahassee Beatdown
0.49432.................All American Wolverines
0.35967.................Ohio Rage
0.33437.................Montgomery Manglers
0.29118.................Headbangers Ball
0.20689.................Raccoon City S.T.A.R.S
0.20440.................Darkus Blacks
0.19482.................Midland Mudpuppies
0.18847.................Dayton Pee Wee Flight
0.16531.................Oahu Firebirds
0.15600.................Hobbittown Hairy Feet
0.15050.................Penguin Academy
0.14837.................Saskatoon Disgruntled Mailmen
0.14436.................Rockwall Jackets - PeeWees
0.14406.................Gondwana Raptors
0.08462.................SilkRoad Online Spartan Chimaera
0.06698.................c@r3 b33rS
0.05705.................Dallas Cool Arrows
0.05326.................Lone Star Water Moccasins
0.05079.................Circle of Trust
0.04716.................Miami Mustangs
0.04298.................Manila Troublemakers
0.04139.................Fort Jackson Cadets
0.03939.................Ocean City Crabs
0.03019.................Mikumi Black Cubs
0.00022.................Tyger's Army
0.00019.................SEC Boyz
0.00019.................Delaware Destroyers
0.00018.................Baltimore Crimewave
0.00017.................Alexandria Ambush
0.00016.................Little Giants

Originally posted by Wackad00


I disagree with this ranking.

In all seriousness, I welcome alternate ranking systems. I used three different systems last season in Copper 14, but I was never completely happy with any of them and they were all time consuming. The best ranking system would be one that predicted the future, so if your ranking system accurately predicts the winners of most of the games, it's pretty good.

One problem I see with your league ranking formula is that you will have no way to compare the winless teams to one another, and a winless team who's had a very difficult schedule will be worse than a team that's had only one win on a very easy schedule. You could mitigate that somewhat by using (wins+1) instead of just (wins) in your calculation.

Looking at the power rankings, I think the Dallas Cool Arrows are too low. The top few teams are pretty good, but after that it's kind of a mishmash. I dunno if I could do any better though. Just eyeballing the league it looks like:
First Tier: OR, SAS, TB, AAW, and maybe one of the MMs
Second Tier: HB, STARS, Penguin, the other MM, Gondwana, HHF, DPWF, Darkus, Oahu, Mailmen, and Rockwall
Third Tier: some other teams including CPU Dallas Cool Arrows (though they'll fall as the season progresses)
Fourth Tier: The predominantly CPU teams

True the Cool Arrows show low on the power ranking, however that changes in the Overall rankings when Win/loss is calculated. However I believe you are correct in the win+1 so winless teams can be ranked. I will re-run an see what effect it has overall.

its definately alternative. .... but does seem reasonable.
anything that adds to the forum of the dirt league can only be a good thing. between the two of you, i am sure we will get some interesting reading material, as well as some healthy debate

Any Given Oddday...

Originally posted by Wackad00
True the Cool Arrows show low on the power ranking, however that changes in the Overall rankings when Win/loss is calculated. However I believe you are correct in the win+1 so winless teams can be ranked. I will re-run an see what effect it has overall.

Issue I run into by adding wins+1 is that I am counting the tie as .5, so ranking do change some in the middle do to this. Still hashing it out to see if there is an alternative.

Ok I think I got it. As to not effect ranking to drastically, Overall will be determine by Power Ranking x(Wins+.01)

I will edit rankings based on this new formula.

so...we gonna do a "coach's poll" too?