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Black Peter
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Checkdown tree works different, IMO, than the general perception by the community, though. You set a LB to cover HB -> FB -> blitz. If there is no HB/FB in play (5WR for example) the LB will not blitz but revert to a default zone. Or if you set a LB m2m on FB -> blitz and it's a 3WR no FB, then the LB will not blitz but default to zone since there is no FB on field. The only time he will checkdown to a blitz is when a FB is in play and stays in to block. It's a pretty big distinction to account for when creating DPC plays, TBH.

Least that's how I understood it to work...
 
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Originally posted by Toriq
Checkdown tree works different, IMO, than the general perception by the community, though. You set a LB to cover HB -> FB -> blitz. If there is no HB/FB in play (5WR for example) the LB will not blitz but revert to a default zone. Or if you set a LB m2m on FB -> blitz and it's a 3WR no FB, then the LB will not blitz but default to zone since there is no FB on field. The only time he will checkdown to a blitz is when a FB is in play and stays in to block. It's a pretty big distinction to account for when creating DPC plays, TBH.

Least that's how I understood it to work...


If that's how it works, then that shouldn't be how it works.
 
Black Peter
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Originally posted by OttawaShane


If that's how it works, then that shouldn't be how it works.


I'm probably wrong, but thought I had read that somewhere.
 
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Originally posted by OttawaShane
Originally posted by Toriq

Checkdown tree works different, IMO, than the general perception by the community, though. You set a LB to cover HB -> FB -> blitz. If there is no HB/FB in play (5WR for example) the LB will not blitz but revert to a default zone. Or if you set a LB m2m on FB -> blitz and it's a 3WR no FB, then the LB will not blitz but default to zone since there is no FB on field. The only time he will checkdown to a blitz is when a FB is in play and stays in to block. It's a pretty big distinction to account for when creating DPC plays, TBH.

Least that's how I understood it to work...


If that's how it works, then that shouldn't be how it works.


+1

I think it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the "M2M assignment tree" works whether the assignment stays in to block or isnt on the field at all.

"LB covers the HB if he is running a route else he covers the FB if he is a running a route, else he blitzes" is how I interpret the M2M assignments.

The HB "not running a route" applies when either he is blocking, or not on the field at all, and would spur the move down to the next assignment.
 
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Originally posted by sbuck143

The HB "not running a route" applies when either he is blocking, or not on the field at all, and would spur the move down to the next assignment.


This I believe is where the system has issues. Based on observations from throughout GLB forums (most notably here: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2520512 ), the defender seems to be having difficulty with proceeding through the assignment process. Nothing in the changelog or announcements indicate this being addressed.
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Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by PinTBC

Originally posted by Bort


lining up over the guy at snap only applies to WR's or players outside the box. If you put a guy in man on a HB for instance, he's going to stick around where he's at (such as an LB or a SS cheated up).


What about trying to put CB#3 over the TE? (I know the TE is supposed to be outside the box, but it sounds like something to check).

In the lineup he is on the wrong side of the field, will he move to cover?

PinTBC


He'll move over because his starting position is outside the x portion of the box, though he'll be off the line a little bit. I'm sure there's probably a replay somewhere that a tester could dig up, or could run a game to confirm.


this wasnt true today....
 
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Originally posted by odg62
Originally posted by Bort

Originally posted by PinTBC


Originally posted by Bort



lining up over the guy at snap only applies to WR's or players outside the box. If you put a guy in man on a HB for instance, he's going to stick around where he's at (such as an LB or a SS cheated up).


What about trying to put CB#3 over the TE? (I know the TE is supposed to be outside the box, but it sounds like something to check).

In the lineup he is on the wrong side of the field, will he move to cover?

PinTBC


He'll move over because his starting position is outside the x portion of the box, though he'll be off the line a little bit. I'm sure there's probably a replay somewhere that a tester could dig up, or could run a game to confirm.


this wasnt true today....


Anyone with a comment? Bort? This is rather important to multiple coverages in my defenses...

PinTBC
 
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CBs moved over the TE for me today for what is worth pin.

It affected LBs mostley on 3-1-7 and 3-2-6 and im pretty sure there was one with the SS

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odg62
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there was also a lot of the man covering the TE not stepping up and playing way to far off (on close/aggresive)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=476145&pbp_id=6278936
 
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There's a related thread on coverage issues here, fyi:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2520512&page=last#22023480
 
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Originally posted by OttawaShane
There's a related thread on coverage issues here, fyi:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2520512&page=last#22023480


thanks OS

it seems like the problem is that the LBs wont move past the places they are limited to in the creator screen to line up on the TE. Im pretty sure that wasnt happening in the first 3 games, and it kinda makes it really stupid to try and put an LB on a TE out of a 1 or 2 LB set, which i would say is a major flaw in DPC coverage.
 
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I have not been as adamantly following possible DPC updates when compared to the end of last season, so what possible changes might we be anticipating?
 
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http://goallineblitz.com/changelog.html

Upcoming additions ready for Season 12
- Cover HB/FB route left/right option for DPC
- DPC checkdowns work all the way through the list

Can we get some proof/img/test games of these when available...

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In particular with the progression, I would like to see if a defender in M2M will line up over the second, third, forth, etc... assignment if the previous assignment is not on the field of play. It is my opinion that the defender in M2M should line up over that assignment if in M2M since a RL defender would already been able to check and make the adjustment to line up over their next assignment if the primary was not there. The only exception would be LB's covering TE/HB/FH.
Edited by timthorn on Sep 18, 2009 20:45:08
 
Bort
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Originally posted by timthorn
I would like to see if a defender in M2M will line up over the second, third, forth, etc... assignment if the previous assignment is not on the field of play.


They will. If that guy doesn't run a route, then they will keep going through their progression and head over to cover the next receiver from where they are at.
 
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Originally posted by Bort
Originally posted by timthorn

I would like to see if a defender in M2M will line up over the second, third, forth, etc... assignment if the previous assignment is not on the field of play.


They will. If that guy doesn't run a route, then they will keep going through their progression and head over to cover the next receiver from where they are at.


Gracias boss man

Edit: wow, i just realized what a non-brainer all ready proven question that was...
Edited by timthorn on Sep 19, 2009 17:42:35
 
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