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Originally posted by Dr. E
Int CBs are easy to counter.. Play selection and if your QB has the strength, more lofty.

But, not discounting your idea. Wasn't it decided the reason the WR don't break the tackles though was because the power HB VAs don't work outside or down field?

they dont work with the Defender behind you... so you need to have a defender in front of you and with the new lead receiver code this is a rare occurrence... as you are always heading upfield with a CB trailing... and of course momentum required to break tackles. Receivers usually catch the ball at a near stop...

Originally posted by Dr. E
Int CBs are easy to counter.. Play selection and if your QB has the strength, more lofty.

But, not discounting your idea. Wasn't it decided the reason the WR don't break the tackles though was because the power HB VAs don't work outside or down field?

More lofty also plays into cb interceptions as much as it goes away from it.

Originally posted by Dr. E
But, not discounting your idea. Wasn't it decided the reason the WR don't break the tackles though was because the power HB VAs don't work outside or down field?
No. Break tackle WRs no longer work because after Bort's changes to pass lead mechanics they almost always stop momentarily to make the catch. It's also why KLs are so common.

They don't work because defenders are built so good now and % equip got halved. When we went into testing that last time the first teams I used were the last wl bowl rosters that had break tackle players. It worked so awesome I thought bort fixed the game. Then I realized I was playing with old builds. Nothing to do with the lead mechanics.

Originally posted by gbororats
they dont work with the Defender behind you... so you need to have a defender in front of you and with the new lead receiver code this is a rare occurrence... as you are always heading upfield with a CB trailing... and of course momentum required to break tackles. Receivers usually catch the ball at a near stop...

Raise the receivers confidence and you will notice the receivers stop less often. Get it high enough and they don't even slow down.

Originally posted by bhall43
More lofty also plays into cb interceptions as much as it goes away from it.

It could. If the QB isn't strong enough the defender closes too fast.

Originally posted by Dr. E
the defender closes too fast.

I had this issue when using a lofty QB setting.

Originally posted by jdbolick

No. Break tackle WRs no longer work because after Bort's changes to pass lead mechanics they almost always stop momentarily to make the catch. It's also why KLs are so common.

So there I was, had a TE stop while trying to make a catch. Didn't think much of it until it kept happening, but only to one of the TEs. The only difference between the two of note was one had not started working his confidence, the other had already run his into the 40's. So I started watching for this on other receivers. I also watched close the TE who stopped to make catches. As his confidence rose above 25, he stopped less often. When it got above 40, almost never. So I ran a test on the WR using the VA points to stack confidence one season and those suckers never stopped or slowed.

Originally posted by Dr. E
It could. If the QB isn't strong enough the defender closes too fast.

What's strong enough? 125 strength good enough? Has nothing to do with strength. The lofty settings take precedence over the zip on your ball.

Originally posted by Dr. E
So there I was, had a TE stop while trying to make a catch. Didn't think much of it until it kept happening, but only to one of the TEs. The only difference between the two of note was one had not started working his confidence, the other had already run his into the 40's. So I started watching for this on other receivers. I also watched close the TE who stopped to make catches. As his confidence rose above 25, he stopped less often. When it got above 40, almost never. So I ran a test on the WR using the VA points to stack confidence one season and those suckers never stopped or slowed.
They do stop and it has nothing whatsoever to do with confidence or lack thereof. I didn't realize how often it happens until Westwind had me look at the parsed graphical data. You have some really batshit crazy ideas, Dr. E. Maybe GLB would be more interesting if anything you thought to be true actually was. Sadly you're almost always clueless about the way this sim works.

Originally posted by bhall43
They don't work because defenders are built so good now and % equip got halved. When we went into testing that last time the first teams I used were the last wl bowl rosters that had break tackle players. It worked so awesome I thought bort fixed the game. Then I realized I was playing with old builds. Nothing to do with the lead mechanics.
No, it is the lead code, otherwise you'd see broken tackles against bad teams but you don't. I think snakes and some guys were trying break tackle WRs with Catch in Stride but I never heard how it went so I'm assuming that failed too.

Originally posted by jdbolick

No, it is the lead code, otherwise you'd see broken tackles against bad teams but you don't. I think snakes and some guys were trying break tackle WRs with Catch in Stride but I never heard how it went so I'm assuming that failed too.

Then explain why the old players worked just like normal? Because it has nothing to do with that.

No idea. From what I've heard the test server didn't always play like the live server. But you can parse the code and see that receivers stop now upon the catch at a frequency they did not back then.

Originally posted by jdbolick
No idea. From what I've heard the test server didn't always play like the live server. But you can parse the code and see that receivers stop now upon the catch at a frequency they did not back then.

What? It played exactly like the game you are playing right now. It was just using builds that were great in WL before arch's took over. First game I simmed a WR broke 3 spinning tackles on his way to a touchdown. And getting one broken tackle generally isn't all that hard. But they get tackled immediately afterwards. The players are much faster, the tackling all around is better. Everyone has make tackle equipment, Sure tackler, DvG, etc... It is the builds not the sim code.

Originally posted by bhall43
And getting one broken tackle generally isn't all that hard.
It really is. And you're wrong about the defensive builds, as I pointed out that break tackle WRs don't work against Pro teams without all that stuff. If you assume that most non-WL yet plateau CBs have make tackle AEQ then you're wrong. Most of them do not.