is it just me or does hurrying the QB seem to have zero effect on completion % and pass quality?
I suggest increasing the penalty when the QB is under pressure
I suggest increasing the penalty when the QB is under pressure
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Dr. E
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Originally posted by fogie55
is it just me or does hurrying the QB seem to have zero effect on completion % and pass quality?
I suggest increasing the penalty when the QB is under pressure
It's just you. I see a lot of wobbling passes.
is it just me or does hurrying the QB seem to have zero effect on completion % and pass quality?
I suggest increasing the penalty when the QB is under pressure
It's just you. I see a lot of wobbling passes.
Droidinc21
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Originally posted by Dr. E
It's just you. I see a lot of wobbling passes.
It's not just him.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1864033&pbp_id=6430752 Perfect pass,but deflected.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1864033&pbp_id=6429921 Again,perfect.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1864033&pbp_id=6433669
But...
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1864033&pbp_id=6434098
It's just you. I see a lot of wobbling passes.
It's not just him.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1864033&pbp_id=6430752 Perfect pass,but deflected.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1864033&pbp_id=6429921 Again,perfect.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1864033&pbp_id=6433669
But...
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1864033&pbp_id=6434098
Ali Khaman
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I think there are several different "rolls" going on in a hurry. It's not just about pass quality, but his ability to find the open man, whether or not he can check another receiver, and so on. The more confidence you have, the less likely the pressure is going to put you into a "bad throw" but there are still bad decisions. That first play (6430752) is definitely a poor decision and he's lucky the CB didn't pick it off.
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Hurries can have an effect, i'm somewhat bothered that a QB can get sacked 10+ times and throw perfect passes under pressure anyways. So i wouldn't touch hurries but sacks might need a look. It might be intentional to prevent a team from getting buried by a few early sacks.
So -1 to adjusting hurry effect.
So -1 to adjusting hurry effect.
Edited by alindyl on Nov 23, 2011 11:47:28
KCChiefsMan
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hurried, looked like the DE was on top of the QB dot, thrown into triple coverage, complete.
sounds like GLB. I swear this game has gone full retard. It's also best for a QB to not have any speed, like 10 speed might be too much because all speed does for a QB is make them run around the tackles immediately and a guaranteed sack.
sounds like GLB. I swear this game has gone full retard. It's also best for a QB to not have any speed, like 10 speed might be too much because all speed does for a QB is make them run around the tackles immediately and a guaranteed sack.
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Originally posted by Ali Khaman
I think there are several different "rolls" going on in a hurry. It's not just about pass quality, but his ability to find the open man, whether or not he can check another receiver, and so on. The more confidence you have, the less likely the pressure is going to put you into a "bad throw" but there are still bad decisions. That first play (6430752) is definitely a poor decision and he's lucky the CB didn't pick it off.
The biggest impact of a hurry should be that he throws it sooner when guys haven't gotten to far into their routes and haven't gotten as open as they might (in zone coverage). I don't see much evidence of this--they seem to throw it a lot sooner than the OC would like whether hurried or not.
The checkdown progressions should be limited, but if you watch the QB going through the checkdowns (only can see on the flash replays), being hurried doesn't seem hinder him here either.
Its a lot easier to find replays where hurrying has no effect than it is to find ones that say bad pass, thrown low, are deflected or picked off.
example: from WL today--I selected the game with the closest margin (21-20).
All pass plays (not counting screens, spiked balls, and sacks)
Hurried:
Caught 5
Deflected 2
Dropped 0
No other notations of bad pass, thrown low, etc
Comp %: 71%
Average gain per attempt (again, not counting screen, sacks, spiked balls): 7.8 yards
Not hurried:
Incomplete (dropped) 1
Incomplete (not dropped nor deflected) 1
Deflected but still caught 2
Deflected bad throw 1
Deflected thrown low 3
Deflected: 24
Caught: 27
Comp %: 45%
Average gain per attempt (again, not counting screen, sacks, spiked balls): 4.9 yards per throw
Are quarterbacks better when hurried? That is, it is possible that the added confidence roll that (one assumes) comes into play when pressured makes the confident pressured quarterback better than the confident non-pressured QB? How exactly does hurrying a QB work? Do they get bonuses for successfully overcoming the pressure? It makes sense in a way, but, if true, could lead to exploits.
I think there are several different "rolls" going on in a hurry. It's not just about pass quality, but his ability to find the open man, whether or not he can check another receiver, and so on. The more confidence you have, the less likely the pressure is going to put you into a "bad throw" but there are still bad decisions. That first play (6430752) is definitely a poor decision and he's lucky the CB didn't pick it off.
The biggest impact of a hurry should be that he throws it sooner when guys haven't gotten to far into their routes and haven't gotten as open as they might (in zone coverage). I don't see much evidence of this--they seem to throw it a lot sooner than the OC would like whether hurried or not.
The checkdown progressions should be limited, but if you watch the QB going through the checkdowns (only can see on the flash replays), being hurried doesn't seem hinder him here either.
Its a lot easier to find replays where hurrying has no effect than it is to find ones that say bad pass, thrown low, are deflected or picked off.
example: from WL today--I selected the game with the closest margin (21-20).
All pass plays (not counting screens, spiked balls, and sacks)
Hurried:
Caught 5
Deflected 2
Dropped 0
No other notations of bad pass, thrown low, etc
Comp %: 71%
Average gain per attempt (again, not counting screen, sacks, spiked balls): 7.8 yards
Not hurried:
Incomplete (dropped) 1
Incomplete (not dropped nor deflected) 1
Deflected but still caught 2
Deflected bad throw 1
Deflected thrown low 3
Deflected: 24
Caught: 27
Comp %: 45%
Average gain per attempt (again, not counting screen, sacks, spiked balls): 4.9 yards per throw
Are quarterbacks better when hurried? That is, it is possible that the added confidence roll that (one assumes) comes into play when pressured makes the confident pressured quarterback better than the confident non-pressured QB? How exactly does hurrying a QB work? Do they get bonuses for successfully overcoming the pressure? It makes sense in a way, but, if true, could lead to exploits.
Edited by fogie55 on Nov 23, 2011 13:08:35
Skoll Wolfrun
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old issue...I made the intuitive jump to this a while back.
Right now, the QB is pretty average to poor at leading the WR. When hurried, the QB is releasing the ball earlier & towards where he hopes the WR will be...this ends up leading the WR more & ends up being better pass %.
Right now, the QB is pretty average to poor at leading the WR. When hurried, the QB is releasing the ball earlier & towards where he hopes the WR will be...this ends up leading the WR more & ends up being better pass %.
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